...thoughts expressed here are not necessarily final.
September 25, 2006
we had a GREAT Anniversary trip!
stopped at Berea to take in the crafts and met up with a blue possum
in a pear tree... and further down the road we saw water coming
from a rock- the rains locally were about ten inches in a few days,
and caused flooding all over Kentucky...
is a view of our cabin- it rained all night and sang us to sleep...
Mountain was just on the verge of the first frosts of the season-
soon this will be aglow in reds and oranges...
Burns and Butch Ross have been performing as a duo since 2003.
With Christie on hammered dulcimer and Butch on mountain dulcimer
and guitar, these two bring traditional tunes to life in unexpected
to Cumberland Gap and some more beautiful scenery and some fair
to middlin' museum fare...
pooch had a grand view...
were able to see the auctions at the last day of the yearling sale
at Keeneland- it set a record of almost 400 million over the 14
||And Earnie got to meet Tiznow, two time winner
of the Breeder's Cup...what an awesome horse, with a ton of personality!
I normally do not partake in discussion of this ilk
in proper company such as Bible studies or group setting, but SINCE
this came up and there is much discussion on the cohort regarding it,
I feel the freedom to weigh in to offer some humble observations on
a most volatile issue. As stated the purpose of the discussion on the
cohort is to apply critical thinking to theological isses. we come from
a variety of positions on this particular discussion. I am not trying
to convince or argue, but present what can be considered one man's consideration
of the scriptures in this regard, and to point the coversation to our
glorious Redeemer! Soli Deo Gloria!
Foreknowlege and Predestination
Some have argued for a cause and effect reality in
this issue. I will point out that God is First Cause else he is not
God. I do not deny mystery is involved.
Seems to me that "Those he foreknew he also predestined" carries
no indication that foreknowldege precedes predestination. There is no
causal relationship in "also", it does not say "therefore"
...He simply did both things.
To say that one precedes the other in a point before time even existed,
and we only existed in the mind of God is problematic. There are several
problems with this. I'll touch on a few...
In this view God is not really electing anyone- He is ratifying a choice
they make. It limits God to peering down the corridors of time to see
what we will do. That seems to me to make it man centered and grace
has nothing to do with it. Election occurs before time, where we exist
only in the mind of God. God does not take in information about you
at election- there was no information in existence that was not His
thought. Your choice for faith existed only in His thoughts about you.
It would seem to limit Gods choice and make it no choice at all-
if all he has to choose from are those who believe and therefore have
some merit in his sight, and he cannot choose anyone he wishes, then
the word election has no meaning. Election is about choice.
If election is based on foreknowledge, it is the work of man in choosing
to believe that is the operative agent in salvation, not grace. In the
Summa, Aquinas called positions that take it to mean that meriting action
(mans choice) somehow causes God to choose insanae mentis.,
or unsound thinking. My point is that this line of investigation did
not begin at the reformation.
Folks who hold to the "ratification" view are often said to
be trying to get God "off the hook" for consigning people
to hell... the biblical view is that fallen man is hell bound and it
is only by the Grace of God any of us are saved. No one goes to hell
who wants to live in the presence of the Living god and all He is for
eternity. It important to point out that in keeping with a view of election
conditioned upon foreknowledge, God also sees the ones who will not
believe and creates them in spite of this knowledge. God has the power
to not create them and thus spare them the torment of Hell, but He does
it anyway. So God doesn't get "off the hook" after all...