February 04, 2008 -Politickin' What a Week! And
what a night on Tuesday!
We had 80 mile per hour winds here last night and
there was no point truying to sleep. We stayed up and watched Super
Tuesday results till 2 AM. The weather band radio couldn't pick
up anything but a woman saying" we are trying to get the sirens
to come on in bullitt County but they may be down." I tracked with
the warnings via the net using the NOAA
site.
Union university got hit again by a tornado-
the third time in several years. I know people there and am so grateful
that there were no deaths. The damage was devastating. this morning
their website is down
Michael
Card will be coming to SBTS on March 31, but I have no other info
now. Guess where I'll be going on my birthday. i've been to several
concerts and have followed his career from the very beginning. It is
good to see him in his mature phase as an artist. Not nearly so prolific,
but still edifying, It was pretty cool as I was watching the Scribbling
in the Sand DVD and saw Earnie and Myself in the crowd, Not a big
deal, but it is funny how you react when you see yourself on video unexpectedly.
Listen to the CD here.
First, a belated birthday recognition to this
blog which is 5 years old! It's VERY hard to believe all that
has transpired since I started blogging...
Thanks to all who give me feedback and to those
who don't the blog goes on...i plan to move this to a blogspot
with comments and permalinks later when the concept of "free
time" gets resurrected... I am starting to get spammed via
my response form...
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Anthony Foster - Feb 1, 2008 8:13 pm (#222 Total:
236)
Is the Seminary Model Viable?
Question: The
Forgotten Ways (by Alan Hirsch) makes a strong argument for seminary
training to go away and for the church to take on this role. He says
formal institutions (Bible institutes/colleges/seminaries) are full
of people who don't know how to do what they teach so it stands to reason
that only pastors (i.e. those who are doing the work of the ministry)
are the best people to train ministry candidates. After all, that's
how the early church did it ... that's how the underground church in
China did it too.
I ask you "Is Hirsch realistic to think the average church can
train a candidate for ministry far better than a Christian college or
seminary?" What are the advantgaes and/or disadvantages of having
a church do it?
My answer: I was introduced to Hirsch during the three or so years I
was tracking with Emergent on a daily basis. I was mentoring a pastor
of an emergent church at the time and gave a good effort at trying to
wrap my mind around the heart of the movement. From what I have read,
I think Hirsch has a propensity for diminishing anything good in the
twentieth century church. His radical missional approach biases him
that way. Here's a review from an emergent blog i follow at jordancooper.com.
Im not opposed to multiple alternate ways of discipling leaders
for the church, but I get aggravated at all encompassing generalizations
like "formal institutions (Bible institutes/colleges/seminaries)
are full of people who don't know how to do what they teach so it stands
to reason that only pastors (i.e. those who are doing the work of the
ministry) are the best people to train ministry candidates." At
the same time I tend to like any Christian who has a radical bent....even
if I don't agree with their stances. Last time I checked, most of the
people I have had as teachers in seminary were teacher practitioners,
or had long years of experience in the trenches, which pretty much blows
his basic premise out of the water.
By the same token, there are great disciplers in the church who are
about this kind of training every day. I fear that Baptists have become
spoiled and have compromised that ability and effort in the context
of the local church; maybe it has been because of the idea that the
"professionals" are better equipped to train leaders. A recent
example comes to mind that I'll commend to you-Mark Eckel's church in
Indiana, which does it right in my view. Their approach is to disciple
men who will look different than the culture around them both in their
abilities in the Scriptures and in street level ministry. And yes they
are a pretty big church. So size of church and human resources probably
is the watershed issue.
{As an aside, I have recently been looking at some of the minutes of
the Long Run Association in the late 1800s (I know, I need to
get a life) and I was enlightened to see how involved many of the founders
of SBTS men who are sort of heroes to me- were in local church
matters. From my perspective, that historical precedent still exists
today.}
As long as the seminaries dont forget their purpose- to serve
the local church in ways that enhances the Kingdom, they will play an
important role. The reality is that the seminaries must, as an institution,
approach discipleship in the same way individuals must- not to make
those they relate to become dependent upon them, but to edify , exhort,
and equip so that reproduction takes place and ministry to the Lord
is maximized. Seminaries are made up of individuals who are in relationship
with other individuals-whether they be students, teachers, or administrators.
I might add a caveat that I do think the ministry of the Word is enchanced
by an understanding of the Languages and history of the church that
specialists can give, and not many local churches have that training
to offer- though I know of exceptions to this. Most of 'em are struggling
to simply find or raise up biblically qualified leaders within their
rank and file.
Anthony Foster - Feb 2, 2008 12:30 pm (#225 Total: 236)
Let me tell you what I think...and not quite fit the word limit
While there are multiple logical fallacies evidenced by Hirschs
contention, the main point- that of the viability of the seminary model
for the future, is still a real issue. So I see that I didn't address
the REAL question. The larger issue is not whether the people who make
up seminaries are qualified, but rather, does the seminary structure
best serve its stated purposes. I propose that is does not. It serves
a 19th century mindset and culture, as well as finding its basic premises
in the understanding of how people learn that predates research on the
subject- it is an anachronism. The many good comments that I am reading
from the cohort tend to take issue with these structural components,
not the quality and experience of the teacher/practitioners, which was
at issue with the characterization of Hisrch in the preceding question.
Theological colleges and seminaries are rooted in the university tradition,
which is at best, an antiquated model in my opinion. I do see some evidence
of and for change at the doctoral level, but up to that point, the model
has become an intellectual idol. Most problematically, the model drives
the style of teaching, which is predominately lecture, binge, test,
and purge. Then the seminary cuts short the class time to require chapel
which is grafted onto the broken model. While this may be seen as being
saved by the bell, if the model is broken, you cannot baptize it into
functionality.
Seminaries have followed the university pattern for historical reasons
mainly, but they are perpetuated by faculty and administrators who are
locked into the patterns they themselves were educated by. Many seminaries
are associated with universities or colleges and the processes are transferred
accordingly. So I see that it is the model that has to change for the
future, and I do not just mean adding distance to the mix and extension
sites wherein the teaching styles that are endemic to the university
model are baptized. Change will come and it will be from within when
it does, and those who are in positions to make the changes need to
listen to the viable heart and part of what radicals like Hirsch has
to say. They have ideas that have the ring of truth, but they only know
how to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We must sing with the
understanding and we must sing with the Spirit.
I don't have the answers. I might propose that a great final project
for a future iteration of this course might be to brainstorm as a class
a potential alternative to the organizational structure that underlies
the current milieu, one that would be viable and beneficial to the body
of Christ. We should be dreaming big. I don't want to degrade into cliche
mode here, and I realize getting such a program, accredited is the major
hurdle, but smart people working together may be able to buld a better
model that could vanguard change. That would get us thinking. The seminary
has the potential for becoming a place where the best of what we have
learned about how people learn can be maximized, but in my opinion,
a radical change in the curriculum is required. Experiential and transformative
learning, along with self directed learning and field based learning
activities where research is done in a living, working environment is
in order. An attitude of : "We dont care what you think,
what does the literature say?" does not to justice to the image
of God in the learner and does nothing to edify and disciple the believer
and give glory to God, which is seminarys raison detre.
The focus should be on building critical thinking skills, transcending
theory into praxis, and transformation of the learner, not building
roboscholars to perpetuate the status quo. Thats my considered
opinion. The university model is not interested in building transformed
people of character. The suffering and disciplines imposed by the university
model is no substitute for the school of hard knocks that James 1 refers
to. "Consider it all joy my brothers
"
Before I forget it...and for what it's worth.
Wasn't that an old Buffalo
Springfield song? Ahh, 1967.. those were simpler times...it was
the the year I was saved...
... but I digress... this was my introduction to Hirsch. It's an important
read, I think...